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American Drivers Think Speeding Is Okay Because Everyone Else Is Doing It

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  • theneverfox@pawb.socialT theneverfox@pawb.social

    There's lots and lots of laws like that

    Like perjury. It's almost never pursued, the judge will just order your testimony ignored

    Or paying your taxes. You're basically expected to do your best to cheat, especially if you're a corporation

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    sem@piefed.blahaj.zone
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    Yeah I'm trying to accept that there are laws like this 😕

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    • M mikezeman@lemmy.zip

      Another factor that hasn't been mentioned yet is it gives cops pretty unilateral right to pull you over if they feel like it. IANAL, but in many places it's illegal for a cop to pull you over just for "being suspicious", but because of speeding and various other traffic laws on the books that are almost universally ignored, they can pull you over for speeding, then decide you seem suspicious and search your car, breathalyze you, etc.

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      sem@piefed.blahaj.zone
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      "You were going fifty-five in a fifty-fo' "

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      • M mikezeman@lemmy.zip

        Another factor that hasn't been mentioned yet is it gives cops pretty unilateral right to pull you over if they feel like it. IANAL, but in many places it's illegal for a cop to pull you over just for "being suspicious", but because of speeding and various other traffic laws on the books that are almost universally ignored, they can pull you over for speeding, then decide you seem suspicious and search your car, breathalyze you, etc.

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        stupidbrotherinlaw@lemmy.world
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        Keep in mind police in the United States don't have to prove someone was speeding. There is no photographic evidence or logged speed reading. If a cop says you were speeding, according to their "justice" system, you were speeding. End of story.

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        • S sem@piefed.blahaj.zone

          Yeah I'm trying to accept that there are laws like this 😕

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          theneverfox@pawb.social
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          When I was 4, I asked to see the book of laws. You know, the thing that determines whether you live free or in prison, the things that lays out all the things you actually have to do. The absolute list of things that must be followed to exist within our society

          I'm still more baffled than my parents were then that there is no such book, and that it is not a book all adults must obviously have simple and continued access to

          A federal effort to just fucking count the number of federal laws in effect stopped well in the six digits before the effort was essentially declared impossible

          You're not coming to terms with anything yet. Your eyes have cracked open ever so slightly and you're desperately trying to close them again

          I speak this all without judgement in the nature of compassion and desire for understanding. I can put it more plainly but you're approaching the truth on your own, and you will gain deeper understanding arriving to the obvious conclusions yourself

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          • S sem@piefed.blahaj.zone

            Can you tell these stories? I didn't think cops would pull you over for going the speed limit in the right lane.

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            funkt4st1c@lemmy.world
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            Since i got my EV ive been going the speed limit because range issues. Everyone around me is going 75 in a 55 (goes from 65 to 55 during my commute but no one cares) while i actually slow down to 55. Had a police officer pull me over for driving suspiciously, i asked him if he knew how fast i was going, when he said no i let him know i was going the speed limit unlike literally every other car. He gave me a ticket for impeeding traffic and it got thrown out after the court wasted 3 hours of my time.

            Basically the same story again two more times.

            Worth noting im a white male presenting person with a clean record, so your milage may vary

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            • combatwombat@feddit.onlineC combatwombat@feddit.online

              What's a little extra 5 or 10 mph on the clock?

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              littletranspunk@lemmus.org
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              I don't, and even before I was on a ghost probation.

              Long-Short: got a ticket, did a defensive driving course to have it not affect my driving record, I'm now on a ghost probation. There's no checkups or anything, but if I get another traffic ticket within 3 months of completing that course it's like a default "throw the book at them" stop.

              I didn't speed then, I don't speed now, I just don't want to be close to a cop let alone a legally permitted situation where not showing the utmost care, respect, and caution can trigger a qualified immunity action for something minor

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              • theneverfox@pawb.socialT theneverfox@pawb.social

                When I was 4, I asked to see the book of laws. You know, the thing that determines whether you live free or in prison, the things that lays out all the things you actually have to do. The absolute list of things that must be followed to exist within our society

                I'm still more baffled than my parents were then that there is no such book, and that it is not a book all adults must obviously have simple and continued access to

                A federal effort to just fucking count the number of federal laws in effect stopped well in the six digits before the effort was essentially declared impossible

                You're not coming to terms with anything yet. Your eyes have cracked open ever so slightly and you're desperately trying to close them again

                I speak this all without judgement in the nature of compassion and desire for understanding. I can put it more plainly but you're approaching the truth on your own, and you will gain deeper understanding arriving to the obvious conclusions yourself

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                sem@piefed.blahaj.zone
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                #124

                I had a political science professor who used to say that while all societies had a system of justice, that was the topic of the 200 level class, it was so difficult, and so we wouldn't be talking about it in his 100 level international politics class.

                I never took his 200 level class, and to this day I wonder...

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                • semi_hemi_demigod@lemmy.worldS semi_hemi_demigod@lemmy.world

                  Cars might have gotten better, but a lot of highways haven't been improved enough for those higher speeds. For example, there's a lot of on ramps in older cities with very short merge zones, and you need to hammer the throttle and pray that there's a spot for you by the time you hit the end.

                  This is especially true if the person in front of you refuses to accelerate to highway speeds to merge safely, simply hoping that people will be nice enough to let them in.

                  There's one near me where I've almost been in accidents just about every time I use it.

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                  aa5b@lemmy.world
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                  Yep, lots of these where I live. My civic was a problem, but my Subaru had enough acceleration to make it easer. Now I have an EV and a habit of hanging back on the ramp since my EV will make the guy in front of me appear to be standing still

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                  • F feyd@programming.dev

                    There are roads where speeding is so common you will in fact be dangerously tailgated if you drive the speed limit

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                    gedfromgont@piefed.ca
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                    #126

                    There are roads...

                    Lmao. These roads are everywhere then. I have in my life not seen a single place where driving speed limit doesn't earn you someone glued to your back, even though a minute ago there was no one behind you.

                    This is experience from driving all over Europe and the US.

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                    • M mbech@feddit.dk

                      I think that's a very backwards way of thinking about it. If you're being safe, but a bunch of people are being unsafe, and bring your life in danger, that's not you being a problem, that's you being a victim.

                      If people start waving knives around at random, and telling you they'll get closer to you, if you don't also wave a knife around, then that's a hostage situation, not people wanting you to be safe.

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                      blackvenom@lemmy.world
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                      #127

                      "if you're being safe"

                      Being the one person interrupting the flow is safe how?

                      Are those chunks of semi tires on the road safe because they're not moving? (Also... they weigh more and move less than the look)

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