Why: so your site can't be taken down by the USA.

At least one .org website that I know of has been shut down because the USA pressured the US organisation that controls the .org domain into doing so.

They could repeat this at will for quite a number of sites.

An immediate step to prevent this possibility, if you run a website, is to register a domain that is controled outside the US.

I have not found one article that just lists them all, and who controls them, but most TLDs have their own wikipedia article, e.g. .org (US controled), .eu (not US controled, yay) etc.

Ultimately ICANN controls all of this, and that's a US orga too, and Trump could bully them into doing shit, too. But the people who know about these things don't seem to think that's a likely threat right now. Also ICANN seems to defer a lot of tasks to exactly these TLD orgas. After all the internet still is (somewhat) decentralized.

Context

https://web.archive.org/web/20260829204913/https://www.inventati.org/campaign/press

Further reading

https://blog.apnic.net/2023/01/13/who-controls-the-internet/
https://netmeister.org/blog/tlds.html

List of all most TLDs created with this script.

.EU still falls under icann manglement but at a remove, so yes the fascist can still mess with .EU domains.

It may be delegated to an EU register, but it still has to follow ICANN policy. Just like .au has to.

I addressed this issue in my post; I don't disagree, but people who know far more about this than I do not seem to see this as an immediate threat. See the autistici/inventati press release and some comments under my posts, e.g. from people at OpenNIC. ICANN seems to defer responsibilities, so they cannot - afaiu - pick and choose to block sites as per The Don's will.

If that was a realistic option I think we'd have seen far more shutdowns already.

Of course, ultimately all of DNS is controled by ICANN, a US orga. Trump could effectively shut down the whole internet, we'd have to revert to numerical IPs. A scary thought.

DNS is controled by ICANN, a US orga. Trump could effectively shut down the whole internet

dude. dont put this in print, he might find out. the guy has zero boundaries, ethics or morals.

Why: so your site can't be taken down by the USA.

At least one .org website that I know of has been shut down because the USA pressured the US organisation that controls the .org domain into doing so.

They could repeat this at will for quite a number of sites.

An immediate step to prevent this possibility, if you run a website, is to register a domain that is controled outside the US.

I have not found one article that just lists them all, and who controls them, but most TLDs have their own wikipedia article, e.g. .org (US controled), .eu (not US controled, yay) etc.

Ultimately ICANN controls all of this, and that's a US orga too, and Trump could bully them into doing shit, too. But the people who know about these things don't seem to think that's a likely threat right now. Also ICANN seems to defer a lot of tasks to exactly these TLD orgas. After all the internet still is (somewhat) decentralized.

Context

https://web.archive.org/web/20260829204913/https://www.inventati.org/campaign/press

Further reading

https://blog.apnic.net/2023/01/13/who-controls-the-internet/
https://netmeister.org/blog/tlds.html

List of all most TLDs created with this script.

And it's a well-known fact he and his admin spend most of their time scouring Lemmy for ways to fuck with the world.

I was promised a list of TLDs. Where list?

I addressed this issue in my post; I don't disagree, but people who know far more about this than I do not seem to see this as an immediate threat. See the autistici/inventati press release and some comments under my posts, e.g. from people at OpenNIC. ICANN seems to defer responsibilities, so they cannot - afaiu - pick and choose to block sites as per The Don's will.

If that was a realistic option I think we'd have seen far more shutdowns already.

Of course, ultimately all of DNS is controled by ICANN, a US orga. Trump could effectively shut down the whole internet, we'd have to revert to numerical IPs. A scary thought.

Of course, ultimately all of DNS is controled by ICANN, a US orga. Trump could effectively shut down the whole internet, we’d have to revert to numerical IPs. A scary thought.

I understand the sentiment but that is not effectively possible. It is not ICANN that de facto controls domain name resolution, it is the name servers that are spread around the world. A supranational organisation such as the European Union, or countries like Russia and China, can have their DNS servers continue to resolve domain names to the correct IP addresses regardless of what decisions ICANN or other TLD ownership entities make.

edit:

I didn't really promise that. I would've delivered it but couldn't find one. But you can check TLDs individually on wikipedia, as I wrote.

I don't think packaged solution delivery is the role of YSK - it's more about raising awareness.

I addressed this issue in my post; I don't disagree, but people who know far more about this than I do not seem to see this as an immediate threat. See the autistici/inventati press release and some comments under my posts, e.g. from people at OpenNIC. ICANN seems to defer responsibilities, so they cannot - afaiu - pick and choose to block sites as per The Don's will.

If that was a realistic option I think we'd have seen far more shutdowns already.

Of course, ultimately all of DNS is controled by ICANN, a US orga. Trump could effectively shut down the whole internet, we'd have to revert to numerical IPs. A scary thought.

Or use an alternative DNS root https://opennic.org/

And it's a well-known fact he and his admin spend most of their time scouring Lemmy for ways to fuck with the world.

Is this sarcastic or dou have have any proof?

Of course, ultimately all of DNS is controled by ICANN, a US orga. Trump could effectively shut down the whole internet, we’d have to revert to numerical IPs. A scary thought.

I understand the sentiment but that is not effectively possible. It is not ICANN that de facto controls domain name resolution, it is the name servers that are spread around the world. A supranational organisation such as the European Union, or countries like Russia and China, can have their DNS servers continue to resolve domain names to the correct IP addresses regardless of what decisions ICANN or other TLD ownership entities make.

Why: so your site can't be taken down by the USA.

At least one .org website that I know of has been shut down because the USA pressured the US organisation that controls the .org domain into doing so.

They could repeat this at will for quite a number of sites.

An immediate step to prevent this possibility, if you run a website, is to register a domain that is controled outside the US.

I have not found one article that just lists them all, and who controls them, but most TLDs have their own wikipedia article, e.g. .org (US controled), .eu (not US controled, yay) etc.

Ultimately ICANN controls all of this, and that's a US orga too, and Trump could bully them into doing shit, too. But the people who know about these things don't seem to think that's a likely threat right now. Also ICANN seems to defer a lot of tasks to exactly these TLD orgas. After all the internet still is (somewhat) decentralized.

Context

https://web.archive.org/web/20260829204913/https://www.inventati.org/campaign/press

Further reading

https://blog.apnic.net/2023/01/13/who-controls-the-internet/
https://netmeister.org/blog/tlds.html

List of all most TLDs created with this script.

(This comment is a draft and, as such, still subject to change):

But the people who know about these things don’t seem to think that’s a likely threat right now.

Nonetheless I would advise to be prepared in case trump suddenly decrees that .gl is now .us or that there's a 4 million percent tariff on using a .ca domain or some such foolishness. If one can suddenly declare the gulf of mexico to be the gulf of america or lake ontario to be lake america one can certainly put pressure on a single organisation to change whatever they feel like.

As an internet user you can:

• create a hosts and/or hosts.BAK file and make generous use of it ^[hosts (file) - wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hosts_file]. Think of digital infrastructure you need to use everyday and/or in case of an emergency.

• keep a list of functioning dns servers owned and operated by organizations that will likely roll back any nonsensical superimposed changes. Consider local, independent, non-US entities.

• when push comes to shove, be prepared to use alternative namespaces such as the one operated by opennic ^[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenNIC#OpenNIC_namespaces]

As an internet proprietor you can:

• prepare yourself and your servers for such a scenario

• register (and use) a domain in an alternative namespace

• make users aware of alternative methods to reach you/your services

As a network operator you can:

• maintain awareness and ensure preparedness

• maintain (auxiliary) digital infrastructure independently on non-US soil

• support alternative namespaces

• peer with sovereign non-US AS

when push comes to shove, be prepared to use alternative namespaces such as the one operated by opennic ^[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenNIC#OpenNIC_namespaces]

I already do but autistici.org isn't reachable through OpenNIC either. The explanation is, essentially, that they cannot edit existing entries from the lists they get from upstream (something about DNSSEC) and that they cannot legally hand out .org domains themselves.

But yeah, I think autistici/inventati will evtl. use a TLD that isn't under US control.

In any case, we, i.e. the non-US parts of the world, will have to tackle these things evtl. because even if things get better in the USA, I don't think they're going to roll back to before the Patriot Act.