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Big brain tech dude got yet another clueless take over at HackerNews etc? Here’s the place to vent. Orange site, VC foolishness, all welcome.

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    self@awful.systemsS
    oh and who can forget: at that same fucking summit he talked about how LLMs were irreplaceable tools for modifying the callers of a function whose signature you changed, a thing that IDEs have been able to do much, much more reliably and faster than LLMs since... the 80s I think? possibly the 70s? and they don't drink several bottles of water doing it. they don't even spike your CPU. it's such a basic thing for an IDE or an editor plugin to do. ctags is a command line tool for this that came with fucking BSD 2.0. but torvalds famously used to only use a version of microemacs from 1987 to work on the kernel, an ultra cool choice that doesn't even support syntax highlighting and later forked to become... nano of all god damn things so now he's ultra-impressed by the basic shit you can do, because like a lot of programming dickheads he never learned any of his tools properly and made it everyone else's problem and now like an MBA who thinks he can slop out a billion dollar app, his fried brain thinks it's so impressive when the LLM does the basic editing tasks he never learned to do himself but much slower and much worse than an editor. and like that same MBA when his project's burning to the ground, he's shouting that it's his underlings' faults for not learning the LLM properly, for not prompting it right. no he won't share his setup, because if he did it'd become very obvious he's out of his fucking depth. godlike programmer my ass
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    these products are actively hacking into businesses across the world. No, they are not. They are used by people to do this. These systems aren't able to act unprompted hence this whole ,, they're breaking free" talk is nothing more but the companies trying to deflate the bubble they created before it pops with their money in it.
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    The sheer number of incidents, which occurred in recent months in internal testing and the real world, indicates that the problem is orders of magnitude more complex than what is publicly known. This is frustratingly vapid. It's really not that complex. The agents have been trained to use hacking tools and then given access to hacking tools. If you train a pigeon that it should tap on a window to get a treat it can guide a missile to a target. There is no nuance or complexity here. The frontier labs are deliberately poking the regulation bear to stifle competition and ensure they get points for good cooperation when bailout time is upon us. It's no more complicated than that. The media needs to stop breathlessly repeating this shit
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    KDE e.V. has [verified] that Framework had severed their (already very limited) ties with DHH and Omarchy. This is asserted in the article, without citation. I'd love to know a source we can verify for this? Haven't seen any verifiable announcement of this about Framework severing ties to DHH, or exactly what that entails.
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    dgerard@awful.systemsD
    Tobias Lütke from Shopify blames the humans in the loop https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2weIKnLSmIU&list=UU9rJrMVgcXTfa8xuMnbhAEA - video https://pivottoai.libsyn.com/20260921-when-the-ai-slop-is-bad-enough-the-ai-ceo-notices - podcast time: 4 min 21 sec
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    mii@awful.systemsM
    I have tried and failed stopping the ensloppification of my company, and I have failed greatly. We now have a new policy that you have to write a justification for making a PR yourself instead of using the chatbot. All the strict checks that were implemented over the years (clear documentation, no more than x files per commit/PR, etc.) are out of the window. This comes after the push for a fucking AI audit where every employee is supposed to justify why they are not using LLMs for certain tasks. Also some person blew the token limit with some web scraping bullshit last cycle and was lauded for embracing the technology. Also our CEO has recently begun subtly insinuating he's now heard of fucking AI doom cultists. I hate everything.
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    rook@awful.systemsR
    Today’s cognitive surrender news: people asking chatbots to generate them hiking maps and give them advice on route planning and climbing mountains, what to eat on long hikes, and where to camp in national parks. It ends about as well as you’d think. https://www.sfchronicle.com/outdoors/article/shasta-climbers-rescued-chatgpt-22414629.php (paywalled, but the popovers are easily hidden with browser tools) the novice climbers, from Roseville, said they’d entrusted Google's AI chatbot, Gemini, to help them craft key logistics of their trip — from the best route up the mountain to the types of food they should pack and how much water they should carry with them. On a separate incident: a man stopped rangers to ask for directions. He showed them a print-out map he’d been following and explained that he’d prompted ChatGPT to produce it for him. “It was terrible — terrible — not even close to accurate,” Meyers said. “It had route lines and place names that were totally off — just ridiculous. We were like, dude, you gotta throw that away.” The original climbing group were standard idiots, having intended to do most of their navigation by phone app, and then failing to have a backup even a working recharge power pack. They also left litter everywhere at that camp site, the usual mark of thoughtless people. I’ve no doubt that they’d have fucked things up in the pre-llm days too… they seem the type. But chatbots are power tools for stupidity and offer whole new ways to abdicate thinking and wander into trivially preventable danger, which in turn means more risk for park rangers and mountain rescue teams 🫤
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    david_chisnall@infosec.exchangeD
    @e8d79 @BlueMonday1984 In the linked thread (currently on the second page) someone called mendax, who is defending Artist, says:tango is an entitled DEI hire who's just short of demanding reparations for getting the boot from ArtixSomeone called mikadonakado then replies with:Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but if you are a luddite, you are the lefty DEI hire, or whatever. Every luddite and neo-luddite community is tied to ShareBlue and CCP in some way. The CCP is behind the push to not build more data centers and slow down AI development.Meanwhile everyone who is a libertarian and everyone who loves Javier Milei also loves AI. You can point out some exceptions, but in general, this statement is completely true. You cannot be a luddite and then accusing other people of being DEI hires.So this seems like an absolutely delightful community.