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Today we're sharing additional guidelines about our Trade Mark Policy based on community feedback that we received.

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  • bugbear@indiepocalypse.socialB bugbear@indiepocalypse.social

    @xvilo @hamatti 1) I hope you delete your server soon. Not that you have to (it was created before the stated date), but to protect Mastodon's trademark.

    2) No, it's like Oracle owning trademark for JavaScript. It's silly, it's pointless, it puts people in an awkward position if Oracle suddenly decided they wanna go aggressively after people using JavaScript instead of ECMAScript. Another good example nginx decided tomorrow that you need to put disclaimer on your web servers to avoid confusion.

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    @bugbear @hamatti But then again, we are ON activity pub, existing servers have been thought of, and then we have people crying and complaining without any real message here, and then, when asked, blocking the 'annoying' person of course. Sure, having ActivityPub blocked, or not having thought about existing cases would have been an issue. But this is not so much, It's for everyone's protection in the end. 1/2

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    • xvilo@mastodon.org.ukX xvilo@mastodon.org.uk

      @bugbear @hamatti But then again, we are ON activity pub, existing servers have been thought of, and then we have people crying and complaining without any real message here, and then, when asked, blocking the 'annoying' person of course. Sure, having ActivityPub blocked, or not having thought about existing cases would have been an issue. But this is not so much, It's for everyone's protection in the end. 1/2

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      @bugbear @hamatti Would the Progressive Pride Flag being copyrighted also be an issue? No, we don't complain about that either.

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      • xvilo@mastodon.org.ukX xvilo@mastodon.org.uk

        @bugbear @hamatti Would the Progressive Pride Flag being copyrighted also be an issue? No, we don't complain about that either.

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        #43

        @xvilo @hamatti does the copyright holder ask people to put disclaimers on the flags when they go to prides?

        You complain about unrelated examples and then use an absurdly irrelevant one.

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        • bugbear@indiepocalypse.socialB bugbear@indiepocalypse.social

          @xvilo @hamatti does the copyright holder ask people to put disclaimers on the flags when they go to prides?

          You complain about unrelated examples and then use an absurdly irrelevant one.

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          #44

          @bugbear @hamatti Companies have to ask for permission to use it, yes. If you do anything with the mastodon name, you need to ask for permission, is it not the same?

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          • xvilo@mastodon.org.ukX xvilo@mastodon.org.uk

            @bugbear @hamatti Companies have to ask for permission to use it, yes. If you do anything with the mastodon name, you need to ask for permission, is it not the same?

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            #45

            @bugbear @hamatti But again, you are free to use any other software to connect with the fediverse, as long as it speaks activity pub. You don't have to use mastodon, that's the beauty of it 😄

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            • mastodon@mastodon.socialM mastodon@mastodon.social

              Today we're sharing additional guidelines about our Trade Mark Policy based on community feedback that we received.

              The new guidelines, and more background about these changes, are available on our blog:
              https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2026/08/sharing-guidelines-about-mastodons-trade-mark-policy/

              #Mastodon #Fediverse #SocialWeb #FediDev #MastoDev #FediAdmin #MastoAdmin

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              @Mastodon@mastodon.social please correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this prohibit the use of names like "The Such-and-such Community Mastodon", which is actually really common for groups and organizations that host a bunch of different services for their members? There's also a number of groups that name their hosted services like "The X on Y", meaning that "The X on Mastodon" shows up rather often as a legitimate usage.

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              • xvilo@mastodon.org.ukX xvilo@mastodon.org.uk

                @bugbear @hamatti But then again, we are ON activity pub, existing servers have been thought of, and then we have people crying and complaining without any real message here, and then, when asked, blocking the 'annoying' person of course. Sure, having ActivityPub blocked, or not having thought about existing cases would have been an issue. But this is not so much, It's for everyone's protection in the end. 1/2

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                #47

                @xvilo @hamatti oh my gosh, are you still whining someone blocked you? Is that the core issue here?

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                • xvilo@mastodon.org.ukX xvilo@mastodon.org.uk

                  @bugbear @hamatti Companies have to ask for permission to use it, yes. If you do anything with the mastodon name, you need to ask for permission, is it not the same?

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                  #48

                  @xvilo @hamatti the new guidelines are affecting everyone, not just companies. Therefore not the same.

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                  • bugbear@indiepocalypse.socialB bugbear@indiepocalypse.social

                    @xvilo @hamatti oh my gosh, are you still whining someone blocked you? Is that the core issue here?

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                    #49

                    @bugbear @hamatti That I definitely don't like, how are we supposed to have a discussion on anything.

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                    • bugbear@indiepocalypse.socialB bugbear@indiepocalypse.social

                      @xvilo @hamatti the new guidelines are affecting everyone, not just companies. Therefore not the same.

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                      #50

                      @bugbear You have the option to use any other software you'd like. Make a GNU alternative and go for it.

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                      • mastodon@mastodon.socialM mastodon@mastodon.social

                        Today we're sharing additional guidelines about our Trade Mark Policy based on community feedback that we received.

                        The new guidelines, and more background about these changes, are available on our blog:
                        https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2026/08/sharing-guidelines-about-mastodons-trade-mark-policy/

                        #Mastodon #Fediverse #SocialWeb #FediDev #MastoDev #FediAdmin #MastoAdmin

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                        #51

                        @Mastodon@mastodon.social as a genuine question - have y'all considered renaming Mastodon (the software) to entirely avoid the trademark collision with Mastodon (the company) and Mastodon (the instance)?

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                        • xvilo@mastodon.org.ukX xvilo@mastodon.org.uk

                          @bugbear @hamatti But then again, we are ON activity pub, existing servers have been thought of, and then we have people crying and complaining without any real message here, and then, when asked, blocking the 'annoying' person of course. Sure, having ActivityPub blocked, or not having thought about existing cases would have been an issue. But this is not so much, It's for everyone's protection in the end. 1/2

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                          @xvilo how is it protecting me? Serious answers only.

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                          • xvilo@mastodon.org.ukX xvilo@mastodon.org.uk

                            @bugbear @hamatti But again, you are free to use any other software to connect with the fediverse, as long as it speaks activity pub. You don't have to use mastodon, that's the beauty of it 😄

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                            @xvilo and you better pick one that uses Mastodon API as that's becoming a de facto standard. You want clients to be able to communicate with your server, right?

                            Mastodon™️the company positioned their software Mastodon™️ to be the centre of fediverse. Now they're crying that people actually use it and advertise using it.

                            And yes, if I ever run my own server again, I am gonna use different software. Not over this issue, but because I don't want to buy a data centre just so I have enough resources on my server to see my Internet friends' cat pictures.

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                            • xvilo@mastodon.org.ukX xvilo@mastodon.org.uk

                              @bugbear You have the option to use any other software you'd like. Make a GNU alternative and go for it.

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                              @xvilo @bugbear Sure. I do like Mastodon and I wish for more adoption of it. That's why I'm arguing that this is a bad policy.

                              Do you wish more people would run Mastodon servers? If yes, do you think that Mastodon's trademark policy is likely to increase that and make it clearer for the user to understand?

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                              • hamatti@mastodon.worldH hamatti@mastodon.world

                                @xvilo @bugbear Sure. I do like Mastodon and I wish for more adoption of it. That's why I'm arguing that this is a bad policy.

                                Do you wish more people would run Mastodon servers? If yes, do you think that Mastodon's trademark policy is likely to increase that and make it clearer for the user to understand?

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                                @hamatti @bugbear I whished more people used ActivityPub, I don't care if its mastodon, or something else that plugs into a shared decentralized protocol, just like how email works. I don't care if someone uses gmail, outlook, icloud mail or rolls their own server (the last I did and is an absolute headache because email is old and horrible and never designed for all the abuse on the platform)

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                                • xvilo@mastodon.org.ukX xvilo@mastodon.org.uk

                                  @hamatti @bugbear I whished more people used ActivityPub, I don't care if its mastodon, or something else that plugs into a shared decentralized protocol, just like how email works. I don't care if someone uses gmail, outlook, icloud mail or rolls their own server (the last I did and is an absolute headache because email is old and horrible and never designed for all the abuse on the platform)

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                                  @xvilo @bugbear

                                  Do you think making it harder to use Mastodon in a way that's easy for the user to understand is going to increase the adoption of ActivityPub?

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                                  • xvilo@mastodon.org.ukX xvilo@mastodon.org.uk

                                    @bugbear You have the option to use any other software you'd like. Make a GNU alternative and go for it.

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                                    @xvilo I admit writing your own ActivityPub server is much easier than forking Linux, but why the same attitude as Linus Torvalds' meltdown over AI pushback?

                                    The fact is that most people out there aren't going to write their own software (I really enjoy seeing projects from people who are writing their own ActivityPub servers, though. The diversity is a good thing), they're gonna use what's out there already. And most people from that group will use hosted solutions which are disproportionately using Mastodon™️, so regular people don't have that many options to use whatever they'd like.

                                    Not mentioning writing my own server software is once again irrelevant to what we're arguing about.

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                                    • hamatti@mastodon.worldH hamatti@mastodon.world

                                      @xvilo @bugbear

                                      Do you think making it harder to use Mastodon in a way that's easy for the user to understand is going to increase the adoption of ActivityPub?

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                                      @hamatti @bugbear Has it become harder for any non-technical person to sign-up for an instance with this move? Or it only for server administrators and people creating other tooling and directly using their trademarked name?

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                                      • xvilo@mastodon.org.ukX xvilo@mastodon.org.uk

                                        @hamatti @bugbear Has it become harder for any non-technical person to sign-up for an instance with this move? Or it only for server administrators and people creating other tooling and directly using their trademarked name?

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                                        @xvilo @bugbear

                                        I believe that if users of Mastodon talk about it to their friend and encourage them to join and it becomes harder to find Mastodon servers because of the trademark restrictions, it will decrease the user adoption.

                                        If everyone has to use different name and logo for the service they provide, I think it's going to be detriment to adoption.

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                                        • bugbear@indiepocalypse.socialB bugbear@indiepocalypse.social

                                          @xvilo I admit writing your own ActivityPub server is much easier than forking Linux, but why the same attitude as Linus Torvalds' meltdown over AI pushback?

                                          The fact is that most people out there aren't going to write their own software (I really enjoy seeing projects from people who are writing their own ActivityPub servers, though. The diversity is a good thing), they're gonna use what's out there already. And most people from that group will use hosted solutions which are disproportionately using Mastodon™️, so regular people don't have that many options to use whatever they'd like.

                                          Not mentioning writing my own server software is once again irrelevant to what we're arguing about.

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                                          @bugbear I think you should compare it to email. Through out the years we've seen different clients, protocols and and hosters. They all implement email as a spec. I think we need to look at it that way. I can migrate away from gmail to any other provider, and still be in touch with the world that access to email

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