<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[I often see that question about the way I use #E2EE over #ActivityPub.#FediHood and #HolosSocial do not use the end-to-end encryption #Mastodon is working on.]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p>I often see that question about the way I use <a href="https://toot.fedilab.app/tags/E2EE" rel="tag">#<span>E2EE</span></a> over <a href="https://toot.fedilab.app/tags/ActivityPub" rel="tag">#<span>ActivityPub</span></a>.<br /><a href="https://toot.fedilab.app/tags/FediHood" rel="tag">#<span>FediHood</span></a> and <a href="https://toot.fedilab.app/tags/HolosSocial" rel="tag">#<span>HolosSocial</span></a> do not use the end-to-end encryption <a href="https://toot.fedilab.app/tags/Mastodon" rel="tag">#<span>Mastodon</span></a> is working on. They are going for MLS over ActivityPub. I use the Signal Protocol, already working between Holos and FediHood, which I both maintain. Once MLS is available, I'll happily switch.<br />But to be clear: it works perfectly with the Signal Protocol. The switch would only be for compatibility.</p>]]></description><link>https://fedi.wiki/topic/5845fc23-dc31-4900-947d-a036ecc4243a/i-often-see-that-question-about-the-way-i-use-e2ee-over-activitypub.-fedihood-and-holossocial-do-not-use-the-end-to-end-encryption-mastodon-is-working-on.</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2026 08:21:32 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://fedi.wiki/topic/5845fc23-dc31-4900-947d-a036ecc4243a.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2026 21:02:41 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I often see that question about the way I use #E2EE over #ActivityPub.#FediHood and #HolosSocial do not use the end-to-end encryption #Mastodon is working on. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 21:33:31 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/@bms">@<span>bms</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://rebel.ar/@wachoperro">@<span>wachoperro</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://toot.fedilab.app/@apps">@<span>apps</span></a></span> </p><p>Friends, don't fight. Thank you all for your attention and for sharing your knowledge. I tested Matrix, went through the code, and haven't found any dangerous actions in it so far. I was at a crossroads – Signal or Matrix – but Signal ended up in the spotlight due to a mistake made through FCM push notifications, namely that they were able to extract data via Firebase Cloud Messaging and hand it over to the court. That's why I chose Matrix, but on my end, I also closed those holes so that the notification body isn't transmitted to FCM during push.</p><p>Of course, the best solution is always the one you develop yourself, but there are plenty of pitfalls there too. For example, today I found 6 vulnerabilities in an app that has been downloaded over 5 million times. I wrote an article about it today without disclosing the app's data to avoid causing harm, and I notified the developers. I'm not falling apart here – I'm just saying that even giant apps often make mistakes, sometimes critical ones – like an exposed API key from a database in decompiled code.</p><p>Wishing everyone security, success, and peace. And forgive me for writing to you from an account where I have a bot agent running – so if you'd like, we can exchange subscriptions from my active account, where I write personally rather than the OSINT bot. == <span><a href="https://social.vir.group/@newsgroup">@<span>newsgroup</span></a></span></p>]]></description><link>https://fedi.wiki/post/https://social.vir.group/ap/users/116075009802645120/statuses/117107327746216471</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fedi.wiki/post/https://social.vir.group/ap/users/116075009802645120/statuses/117107327746216471</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[analytics@social.vir.group]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 21:33:31 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I often see that question about the way I use #E2EE over #ActivityPub.#FediHood and #HolosSocial do not use the end-to-end encryption #Mastodon is working on. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 09:54:36 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://rebel.ar/@wachoperro">@<span>wachoperro</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://toot.fedilab.app/@apps">@<span>apps</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://social.vir.group/@analytics">@<span>analytics</span></a></span> maybe don't always read the same thing and expect to be smarter</p>]]></description><link>https://fedi.wiki/post/https://climatejustice.social/users/kitkat/statuses/117104579448520103</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fedi.wiki/post/https://climatejustice.social/users/kitkat/statuses/117104579448520103</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[kitkat@climatejustice.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 09:54:36 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I often see that question about the way I use #E2EE over #ActivityPub.#FediHood and #HolosSocial do not use the end-to-end encryption #Mastodon is working on. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 09:03:46 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://climatejustice.social/@kitkat">@<span>kitkat</span></a></span><br />I will copy it again in case you didn't read it, no?</p><p>"There’s no reasonable world in which anyone should trust the developers of cryptographic software (i.e., libolm) that deliberately ships with side-channels for years, knowing they’re present, and never bother to fix them."</p><p><span><a href="https://toot.fedilab.app/@apps">@<span>apps</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://social.vir.group/@analytics">@<span>analytics</span></a></span></p>]]></description><link>https://fedi.wiki/post/https://rebel.ar/users/wachoperro/statuses/117104379578308798</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fedi.wiki/post/https://rebel.ar/users/wachoperro/statuses/117104379578308798</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[wachoperro@rebel.ar]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 09:03:46 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I often see that question about the way I use #E2EE over #ActivityPub.#FediHood and #HolosSocial do not use the end-to-end encryption #Mastodon is working on. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 07:36:18 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/kitkat%40climatejustice.social">@<span>kitkat</span></a></span> <span><a href="/user/wachoperro%40rebel.ar">@<span>wachoperro</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://toot.fedilab.app/@apps">@<span>apps</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://social.vir.group/@analytics">@<span>analytics</span></a></span> </p><p>Just btw; there is also this repo <br /><a href="https://github.com/swicg/activitypub-e2ee/" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://</span><span>github.com/swicg/activitypub-e</span><span>2ee/</span></a></p>]]></description><link>https://fedi.wiki/post/https://digitalcourage.social/users/sl007/statuses/117104035677313146</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fedi.wiki/post/https://digitalcourage.social/users/sl007/statuses/117104035677313146</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[sl007@digitalcourage.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 07:36:18 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I often see that question about the way I use #E2EE over #ActivityPub.#FediHood and #HolosSocial do not use the end-to-end encryption #Mastodon is working on. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 06:54:15 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://rebel.ar/@wachoperro">@<span>wachoperro</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://toot.fedilab.app/@apps">@<span>apps</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://social.vir.group/@analytics">@<span>analytics</span></a></span> My unofficial risk assessment of Matrix initially was: approaching pre-TLS IRC in its constitution.</p><p>I see I wasn't too far off.</p>]]></description><link>https://fedi.wiki/post/https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/ap/users/116971043378070209/statuses/117103870344958326</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fedi.wiki/post/https://mastodon.bsd.cafe/ap/users/116971043378070209/statuses/117103870344958326</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[[[global:guest]]]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 06:54:15 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I often see that question about the way I use #E2EE over #ActivityPub.#FediHood and #HolosSocial do not use the end-to-end encryption #Mastodon is working on. on Sun, 16 Aug 2026 04:05:01 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="/user/wachoperro%40rebel.ar">@<span>wachoperro</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://toot.fedilab.app/@apps">@<span>apps</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://social.vir.group/@analytics">@<span>analytics</span></a></span> </p><p>Ever thought about exploitability or vodozemac? No?</p>]]></description><link>https://fedi.wiki/post/https://climatejustice.social/users/kitkat/statuses/117103204885322300</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fedi.wiki/post/https://climatejustice.social/users/kitkat/statuses/117103204885322300</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[kitkat@climatejustice.social]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 16 Aug 2026 04:05:01 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I often see that question about the way I use #E2EE over #ActivityPub.#FediHood and #HolosSocial do not use the end-to-end encryption #Mastodon is working on. on Sat, 15 Aug 2026 22:16:33 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://toot.fedilab.app/@apps">@<span>apps</span></a></span> <span><a href="https://social.vir.group/@analytics">@<span>analytics</span></a></span> <br />I think Matrix shouldn't be a source of trust for anything security related :s<br /><a href="https://soatok.blog/2024/08/14/security-issues-in-matrixs-olm-library/" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://</span><span>soatok.blog/2024/08/14/securit</span><span>y-issues-in-matrixs-olm-library/</span></a></p><p>(In the addendum:)</p><p>Matrix dev: meanwhile, it is very unclear that any sidechannel attack on a libolm based client is practical over the network (which is why we didn’t fix this years ago). After all, the limited primitives are commented on in the readme and <a href="https://github.com/matrix-org/olm/issues/3" rel="nofollow noopener"><span>https://</span><span>github.com/matrix-org/olm/issu</span><span>es/3</span></a> since day 1.</p><p>Soatok: "So the Matrix developers already knew about these vulnerabilities, but deliberately didn’t fix them, for years</p><p>Congratulations, you’ve changed my stance. It used to be “I don’t consider Matrix a Signal alternative and they’ve had some embarrassing and impactful crypto bugs but otherwise I don’t care”. Now it’s a stronger stance:</p><p>Don’t use Matrix.</p><p>I had incorrectly assumed ignorance, when it was in fact negligence.</p><p>There’s no reasonable world in which anyone should trust the developers of cryptographic software (i.e., libolm) that deliberately ships with side-channels for years, knowing they’re present, and never bother to fix them."</p>]]></description><link>https://fedi.wiki/post/https://rebel.ar/users/wachoperro/statuses/117101834652109479</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fedi.wiki/post/https://rebel.ar/users/wachoperro/statuses/117101834652109479</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[wachoperro@rebel.ar]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2026 22:16:33 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I often see that question about the way I use #E2EE over #ActivityPub.#FediHood and #HolosSocial do not use the end-to-end encryption #Mastodon is working on. on Sat, 15 Aug 2026 21:37:48 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://social.vir.group/@analytics">@analytics@social.vir.group</a> <a href="https://toot.fedilab.app/@apps">@apps@toot.fedilab.app</a><span> i wonder if the matrix protocols without using matrix software avoid being completely broken with constant issues all the time, like matrix has<br />well, only encryption issues mainly, rest of it tends to work much more reasonably<br />matrix encryption is always encryptdon't tho, or should i say </span><code>[failed to decrypt message]</code></p>]]></description><link>https://fedi.wiki/post/https://possum.city/notes/apygojd24u650e0s</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fedi.wiki/post/https://possum.city/notes/apygojd24u650e0s</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[6@possum.city]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2026 21:37:48 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to I often see that question about the way I use #E2EE over #ActivityPub.#FediHood and #HolosSocial do not use the end-to-end encryption #Mastodon is working on. on Sat, 15 Aug 2026 21:36:39 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p><span><a href="https://social.vir.group/@analytics">@<span>analytics</span></a></span><br />Honestly, I checked the FEPs before and didn't see one about Matrix, otherwise I would have looked into it more deeply.<br />As for my choice, I stayed on the Signal double ratchet mainly for forward secrecy: a compromised key should not open the history.</p>]]></description><link>https://fedi.wiki/post/https://toot.fedilab.app/users/apps/statuses/117101677713067755</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://fedi.wiki/post/https://toot.fedilab.app/users/apps/statuses/117101677713067755</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[apps@toot.fedilab.app]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2026 21:36:39 GMT</pubDate></item></channel></rss>